Sunday, February 17, 2013

Bad Treaty in Parliament



Christy Clark is ready to give away millions of tax dollars and thousands of hectares of land to one native village on Vancouver Island as well as forestry rights and the right to self government. I kid you not. Self government means their chiefs become kings and queens and the members of their reservations have absolutely no rights whatsoever.

I know this is a sensitive issue but we really need to start using our brains here. Clearly we have abandoned reason up to now. Currently there are many outstanding land claims. In fact since each village can’t agree on what land was theirs, the outstanding land claims are for all of the land in BC and then some.

For example, at the public hearing on the Surrey Mega Casino, a member of a local First Nations village spoke. She expressed her concern about the proposal and objected to the fact that their village wasn’t getting any money from it. She cited how in other provinces, the provincial government automatically shares a portion of the gaming revenue with the First Nations.

Most importantly, she outlined her village’s land claims and admitted another village has also put a claim on some of the land they claim. In essence there is over 150% of BC up for grabs. Sorry to say, only 100% of BC exists and we need to coexist with all the other residents.

All of us came here from someone else. Including the First Nations community. Yes they were here before the white man so to speak but this isn’t about the white man any more. It’s about equality for every race colour and creed that now lives here. We all have rights and we all must share this land. Chief Seattle said land ownership was a white man’s concept.

I was born in North Vancouver. When I was young, my father took me hiking in Lynn Valley. That doesn’t mean I own Lynn Valley. Just because a small Native village walked somewhere or canoed somewhere, that doesn’t mean they own that land.

I talked about the Idle no More movement and expressed my concern about one group of people setting themselves up as better than another group of people. Especially when they claim they don’t have to work or pay taxes and we have to work to support them. That is wrong.

If you don’t want to pay taxes, then I guess you don’t want to drive on roads, use electricity or the plumbing those taxes paid for. Yes there were injustices in the past. The residential schools were horrible. Judge Ramsey’s sexual abuse of under age aboriginal women was inexcusable. That doesn’t mean we are supposed to throw away the constitution and make one group better than all the others. That is not a free republic.

In Central America, there are plenty of aboriginal people. You don’t see any reservations there. The aboriginals live with the rest of society. They have to work and provide for themselves just like everyone else. Everyone is equal. I don’t like to see anyone get shafted including members of the First Nations community. But let’s face it, to say they own the whole province and then some and we have to rent it from them is wrong. There’s a reason we have the queen of England on our money and not the king of France. There was a war and the French lost. Yet we share this land with the French and everyone else who lives here.

Historically, the British came here to make some money in the fur trade. Fort Langley was built and we did business with the local natives. In fact the local natives in Fort Langley liked doing business with the British. Other tribes would plunder them, kidnap them and take them away as slaves. Doing business with the British protected them from their enemies.

Let’s face it, historically we did business and were friends with some tribes but not all tribes. Some tribes were mean bullies that exploited other tribes. We didn’t have treaties with everyone. We can’t give every native village everything they want because that’s more land than exists.

On top of that, why is Christy Clark giving one village millions of tax dollars? The use of land is one thing, handing over tax dollars is another. For the record, self government is insane. That means the chiefs become rich kings and queens and the members of the reservations have no rights at all. It also means they can legalize crack and have their own crack houses on the reservations for people to come to and our laws can’t stop them.

Self government sounds like a good thing but it’s not. It sounds like self determination but its not. Those words have legal meaning and the inherent right to self government means their chiefs become kings and queens and the charter of rights has no jurisdiction to protect the rights of the members of the reservation. This is just Christy Clark spending more money she doesn’t have to try and get reelected just like Gordon Campbell’s BC Hydro rebates only MUCH worse.

The inherent right to self government means that a tribe could say, historically we used to raid that other tribe and make them slaves so we are going to retain our historical right to keep slaves and your laws that ban slavery have no jurisdiction now. Great thinking Christy. Not.

7 comments:

  1. agent K, you are racist. Note that I have not said that you have racist ideas, or that you are A racist, which would turn you into some sort of noun. I am saying specifically that you are racist. That many racist ideas propagate your ramblings. You engage daily in the act of publishing hate. How does that make you feel ?

    I would suggest that you do some reading other than pulp crime books and educate yourself on the relationship between aboriginal culture and imperialist european culture. A good place to start would be the book "stolen continents" by ronald wright. It in particular does a great job of laying out the history of Canada's role. Then you would sound less like Alex Jones. A better idea would maybe to focus on the "gansters" in "gangsters out". When you write about what you know, you come across as less of a lunatic.

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    1. Let me guess, you're one of those "activists" I was talking about.... :rolleyes:

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  2. Do you really believe that or are you just throwing that out there because I disagree with the inherit right to self government? There are valid concerns to what that means legally. It does mean a reservation with the right to self government could choose to set up a crack house and we couldn't stop it. That is concerning to me. Since all these Nazi's also use the confederate flag with the slogan The South Shall Rise Again, slavery does concern me. I provided a link that shows historically other tribes raided the Fort Langley Natives and carried them away as slaves and how the British at the Fort protected them from their enemies. I haven't read the book you cite but I have made a true historical statement. It was a local Native that first told me that.

    I think the recent case in Edmonton is a prime example. One reservation votes to get rid of gang members. Another reservation who has gang members comes, shoots one of their members and bullies them. Do you think the reservation that allows gang members should have the right to self government? Because that would let them sell crack and horde arms and we couldn't stop them. That does concern me. I don't see how that makes me racist. I would be just as if not more concerned if white Nazi's were doing the same thing.

    I believe in a free republic where all people are equal. I don't approve special status for anyone. I see that as racist. I'm not publishing hate. Quite the opposite. There are a couple of Natives that I work with. They are really nice guys. They work side by side everyone else. They pull their own weight and contribute to society. They have no special status or special privileges. Everyone is equal. I think that's the way it should be.

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    1. K, please do not waste time dignifying this person's ramblings with a response. According to people like this, before the arrival of evil white men, natives lived in pastoral splendor, at peace with each other and with nature under the benevolent influence of the Great Spirit.

      We all know this to be far from the truth, the truth being more along the lines of constant bloody inter-tribal warfare, with particularly interesting forms of torture often being inflicted on captives.

      To think that peoples will automatically leave the behavior of thousands of years behind simply because they are shown a more evolved way of doing things would seem to make sense, but in fact it doesn't happen. It doesn't matter which culture we are talking about. 400 years after contact with "Europeans", Africans still believe in witch doctors, Middle Eastern cultures are still tribal and corrupt by Western standards, and I'll leave it to others to define how this phenomena might apply to the culture currently under discussion.

      Before I get jumped on by an angry beaver for being a racist, let me state that at one point I worked almost exclusively with native folks and found them (with only one exception) to be proud and honorable guys. I am aware of the stereotype of the drunken Indian, etc., and although these obviously exist, I frankly never had much experience with them. They wouldn't have made it to where we were and they wouldn't have survived long if they did.

      We judge people as individuals, not by the culture from which they came. If they fail that test, so be it, but I'm not going to blanket condemn every single native, or any single member of any other group. Even if a majority of whatever group were total shit birds, to me that makes the ones who are not even more valuable as people overall, in many ways including as an example to the others. At the same time, I have no problem calling a shitbird a shitbird. And of course, shitbirds and activists don't like that.....and they play the race card faster than Superman folds laundry.

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    2. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just wanted to find out if this person was sincere or just another extremist with an agenda based on falsehoods. There is good and bad in every culture. The white man talks a lot about civilization but they too have their share of greed, crime and cruelty. To my knowledge, most known serial killers are caucasian. Having said that I think it's pretty clear historically that the First Nations community in BC did not live in peace before the white man came. They would regularly raid each other, steal from each other and turn each other into slaves.

      I myself used to think self government was a good thing. When you cal it self determination it almost sounds like self reliance. However, when you look at the legal ramifications of that term it is very concerning because it creates areas that are not protected by the law or by the Charter of Rights. Calling someone who wants to protect the Charter of Rights a racist is somewhat ironic.

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    3. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. So what. If I say the moon is made of green cheese, it may well be my "opinion" but I think you could safely pay it no mind.

      The kind of people we are talking about, of that mentality, are not concerned with the accuracy of their accusations, only that those accusations be believed by some and that those who are accused are put on the defensive, to waste time and energy in the defense. In fact these kinds of baseless accusations are are a sign of weakness on their part, an indication that they are not on solid, logical ground and must resort to such as they have nothing else.

      The idea that most serial killers are Caucasian, hmmm.....yes, I've heard that one. I'm not sure that it's actually true. Possibly as applied to North America, but then whites are the majority in NA by a wide margin, so I would be surprised if it were not true. Of course when the same people who would push this "fact" are asked about why blacks are 60%+ of the prison population in America while only being 14-15% of the population, they will howl that it's racism.

      A logical person who seeks the truth about things whatever apple cart it might upset will follow where demonstrable fact leads them, however unwelcome the point it leads them to. These folks are not like that, to them "facts" are to be quoted selectively or made up outright as may be needed to support their agenda.

      But hey, what do I know, I'm just an over-educated knuckle-dragging pawn of the NWO who carries a gun for a living.....

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